Great news, thanks. Putting those two shows together may have been a good move.

I honestly don't get Marc Berman a 4.0 /6 for Buffy is disasterous but a 3.7/ for Angel is promising? mmmmkay.

YES!! I was hoping the ratings would be good...thanks for that.

CrazeeT- Buffy averages more viewers than Angel, so its good for Angel.

Yeah, he`s basing it on what the shows are expected to get, and what they`ve averaged before. Like Andrew said, Angel doesn`t ever hit the numbers Buffy does, so 3.7 is really good.

I still think Sunday is a really bad night to have Angel on. It just doesn't seem to make much sense.

Sure but since when did the WB make sense?

They did right up until they lost Buffy.

Entirley.

I'm just saying he is unfairly harsh with Buffy. Considering that UPN lost 5 affiliates to the WB bringing it's market coverage below 80% while upping the WB's to over 90% it is remarkable that Buffy even got a 4.0. The level of competition at 8 Tuesday is just as fierce as Sunday at 9. I agree that those numbers are good for Angel but considering Angel and the WB as a whole has far more coverage than Buffy or UPN at the very least Berman should point that out before he makes his snide comments tis all .

Fair enough, I totally get you

Tuesday is a tough nite Sundays are kinda easy now because Fox has not started it's shows they do well on Sundays.

Buffy is not going anywhere. I still get to watch it, so it on UPN and it's harder to get good ratings on UPN. It changes nothing for me.

Actually BtVS season premiere Lessons pulled in a 4.9 in the overnight ratings according to calendar live and ZapIt who takes into account all of the ratings. So it did much better than Ats premiere last night. But Ats did well and I hope it's number stays steady and not drop.

Moving ANY show to a new night is a risk...and Angel held in there. So far at least. I hope the viewers stay...

Do you have a link for these ratings Gryff? Thanks either way...

I can't find on zapit.com were they said the 4.9 overnight. ALl I can see is the 4.0 rating. can you provide a link to were they say the 4.9 overnight?

Thanks

Can anyone tell me some good websites which show overnight ratings other than www.zap2it.com ?

Overnights:

www.thefutoncritic.com
www.mediaweek.com

Overnights and Nationals
http://home.insightbb.com/~wahoskem/

Nationals

http://www.calendarlive.com/tools/more.jsp...%2Ftv%2Fratings
also the San Jose Mercury

Thanks!!

If it says something like 4.7/9, does that mean the 4.7 stand for four point seven million viewers?

It's 4.7 times the numbers of viewer represented by 1 point.
last year it was a tad over 1million perpoint so it'd be alittle over 5mil viewers and the seconds number is the percent of audiance so 9% watched

Damn...too confusing for me.

oh in that case the bigger the number the better

haha...ok, thanks. I should be able to figure that out.

just pulling your chain, didn't it work?

haha yea..it worked

I agree..lets kick his......violence is WRONG..

I'm sorry but I don't see Angel's #'s as promising. 20% drop is still a 20% drop from its lead in. But what do I know

It's like a glass half full sort of deal. It's almost like, "well at least it isn't losing 65% of its lead in like was doing when it followed 7th Heaven." Also what else does WB have to replace it with--unless they try out that new show they just ordered in the timeslot. Almost everyone expected it to do much worst, not that it can't afford to do much worst at this point, almost every other show on the WB had better premiere numbers than Angel did, even Sabrina the Teenaged Witch (if I'm not mistaken).

My God guys, for moving to a new night its good ratings. Give it time.

Huh? I pointed out that it did better than expected that this was good for Sunday and that at least it isn't losing 65% of it's lead in how is that not giving it time? All I said is that it can't afford to do much worst which is true.

I wasnt even referring to you.

My bad, since there were only two recent post questioning wether the ratings were good and you said guys I just assumed..my apologies..

People just seem to be expecting a lot from it...Angel never did score through the roof ratings.

Believe it or not Angel season 2 scored higher ratings than Buffy season 5 quite a few times, so it's capable of doing better.

Quite a few times...not on average.

Buffy has settled into a ratings trend very nicely angle is still building it's.
Buffy continued to climb in ratings through it's 3rd season and then in it's 4th started its nice stead trend.

We'll see if angle does the same. Hopefully it will.

I'm not sure it's exactly fair to say Angel did well because it did a lot better than a different show in the same time slot. Angel's premiere in it's old time slot last year got a 4.2 (http://home.insightbb.com/~wahoskem/angel3.html).

Leigh this is where I got my ratings info for BtVS, GG, and Smallville's season premiere episodes:

calendarlive.com


Here is a partial list of relevant shows:


50. Smallville WB 8.66

59. 7th Heaven WB 7.90

74. Gilmore Girls WB 6.20

76. WWE Smackdown! UPN 6.00

81. Firefly FOX 5.47

83. Charmed WB 5.06

84. Buffy the Vampire Slayer UPN 4.99

87. Enterprise UPN 4.84

Buffy is out rating Enterprise? Cool...

That terrifys me

Ok I see about the 4.99. Difference though, it's 4.99 million viewers not a 4.99 rating unless this year it is a 1:1 between rating point and viewers.

but still, even at last years numbers for viewers, this would turn into a high National than overnight which I don't think I've ever seen on Buffy.
if this is true then with the drop out of 5 affiliates the overnights for Buffy may ot be as good as the fringe viewers are really the ones making a difference.