This is the designated and official discussion thread for the new Angel episode 'Soulless' which is airing tonight, February 5, 2003, at 9PM on the WB.

Please do not discuss any plot points for episodes that have yet to air. We need to be mindful of those who wish to avoid spoilers but still want to discuss the current episode. Thanks!

This is the one written by Sean Astin, correct?

Directed by Sean Astin actually.

I think I'll watch this episode. Will be the first in months..

Lol, who wrote it?

Damn... it's on the tip of my lips... but I can't remember right now.

Sarah Fain & Elizabeth Craft

I hope they write more, they wrote "Soulless" very well. Surpassed "Awakening" as the best of the season in my opinion.

LMAO! Angelus is such a damn pervert....bending Fred over a kithen counter? (and I kinda missed the part about rubbing a bald "head" )

OMG...double-LMAO! "Wait 'til they drop Wes, then sayit again" (if anybody missed that, he was talkin' about his nuts!)

yeah, fred's voice sure is "gripping" .. hahah, insane sexual imagery so far in this one

OK, I'm twenty minutes into the show and can I just say that I LOVE Angelus. I missed him so. And Fred picked up Buffy's favorite phrase for Spike "You're a pig!"

I can't wait for him and Cordy to chat, that' s gotta be something to see.

Chat with you all after the show!

Does anyone think that David has changed his acting perspective considering Angelus? He seems very different.

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! He elbowed her in the face!

Connor...ugh, I wish he would just go away. Even Vincent....the way he articulates his words makes every one of his lines unrealistic. Omg, Angelus is so awesome! I think he's saying whats on all of our minds about the characters! ("It's like boning your mom")

Was anybody else saying Cordy's line before she did right after Angelus said "What could be a better ride than a Mustang?" BTW, what the hell does she mean by it? Is she gonna hop into bed with Angelus for information? I think not, she knows how dangerous he is!

Connor is either being very very smart (by getting on Angelus' side) or being very very dumb. Take your pick.

I'm loving this episode. "They should write a play about that"

So much of the melodrama finally coming to bear... and Cordy finally admitting she's a prostitute

Given his track record, I'll go with dumb

Few thoughts.

I love you Angelus.

Loved the literary allusion to "Oedipus Rex".

I hope that Fred/Gunn, don't break up.

There needs to be at least one freaking ship that works.

aw man, the little kid was dead.. that was disturbing

Looked like fingers in the gut on all of them.

Wonder if that is a Beast speciality or has something to do with the Lilah's attempted murder...

Er...I missed like 3 minutes of what happened before the current commercial break.

Is it like Adam killing the kid in Buffy?

No, its just the body of the kid...there's nothing leading up to it or anything like when Adam was around.


And a comment on Connor's puking.....that was quick!

All the talky talky about Faith. .

Ending was a bit weak, the first half definately had a better build up.

this show rules next week looks awesome

YES. He's so different. I don't think Angelus would ever accept sex like that. He could have had sex with Buffy whenever he wanted.

I can't wait until next week! The promo was great!(But I already know **Please No Spolers**.accidentally spoiled )

Loved the episode, best of the season. Great, but Charisma looked bored and half dead the whole episode.

Great episode, best of the season. I hope we see the same thing in the next couple of Angelus episodes....he's truly what the show needed. Kudos go out to David's acting also, I didn't think he'd be able to pull it off!

But now I have to catch it at 12am on KTLA because I missed the beginning fight scene with Connor (cuz his fights are great. not him, mind you).

The promo for next week does not excite me at all because I already know **Please No Spoilers**...I think a lot of people are in the same group as me.

who is it? pm me

ditto... because I sure havent heard who it was...

Ok, I really liked this ep. The sexual innuendo was just hilarious.

The Oedipus and Othello references were awesome.

I sooo cannot wait for next week. And I loved how they changed the logo to ANGELUS instead of just ANGEL. I am mostly spoiler free I've no clue what to expect next week. Hopefully **Please No Spoilers**.

Uh, they need to do something about these two love triangles cause between Wes/Fred/Gunn and Angel/Angelus/Cordy/Connor (although I guess that's more of a square), the angst is killing me. I need some closure.

It's sent.



*raises hand*

I'm not sure about the ending though...


Another thing- I loved the Fred/Wesley scene. I really wanted there to be turmoil in Fred/Gunn's relationship. It was great how Fred actually kissed him back.

oh.. btw- loved the comments from Angel about mustangs. I own a mustang and will be buying a 1963 one... and what he said is sooo true


Thnx for PM Andrew... I am so glad that is who it is. I hate that character anyway..lol

I agree, and was actually going to post about it too.Looking back on it, he kinda played the original character of Angelus a little gay, and now he's just playing him as perverted. But thats just me.

Actually "blah blah blah" is annoying to me. . Still love "blah blah blah" though.

Please Do Not Post Spoilers for Future Episodes!

Whatever Occurs in the Promo Is A Spoiler for the Next Episode. Some want to be Surprised.

Everything that we said was already stated in the promo that came on RIGHT after the episode...

Just drop it...your not gonna win. Although I agree.

He played the original Angelus as GAY???? Where do you get that from? LMFAO

I, for one, do not watch promos because I don't want to be spoiled. And besides, in the two areas I've lived in in Canada, neither place got promos.

Great, thanks guys. Now I know someone gets canned. Cripes.

Sorry for when I posted about it. Don't worry, theres more to it than just that. Still lots of surprises in the episode.

Glenn clearly posted this at the start of this topic "Please do not discuss any plot points for episodes that have yet to air. We need to be mindful of those who wish to avoid spoilers but still want to discuss the current episode. Thanks!"

I hadn't seen the previous posts before they were edited.

Well, sorry to whoever else got spoiled. A complete mistake, thought promos where allowed to be discussion. Sorry! (Seemed like a lot of people didn't mind since I got 10 pm's about it. Hopefully you were the only one spoiled. )

Heh. Spoilers.

Thanks Mod, for the editing job before I read it. I have the feeling somebody name-dropped and am glad to be spoiler free.

Didn't know the preview counted as a spoiler though. Missed my post so I edited it myself.

I think I'd cry if I got a spoiler that big

There was absolutely NO name-dropping, don't worry.

Watch the future spoilers!

Be careful about any info on upcoming episodes, including promos. It's ok if you want to start up another topic in the spoilers forum.

I liked it 8/10 Cordy got on my nerves. I think I know why she is acting the way she is but, that is for the spoiler form. Angelus was good he had some nice lines. I even liked the Angelus/Conner talk.

There isn't really much to add that hasn't already been talked about but heres a few opinons of mine... I really loved the Wes/Fred kissing scene, before I wanted her and Gunn together but now it's gotta be her and Wes; plus the Gunn/Wes rivarly is pretty interesting, close call on who would win (Gunn is stronger but Wes is one of the better well rounded fighters). It was great to see Angelus back, really was a pick-me-up for the show, adds some new energy; I can't wait to see how things unfold with him and the beast; also can't wait to see who stole Angel's soul! This was the best episode this season and probably the best in awhile, gets a 9.5 from me.