This is the designated and official discussion thread for the new BtVS episode 'Sleeper' written by David Fury and Jane Espenson, which is airing tonight, November 19, 2002, at 8PM on UPN.



Please do not discuss any plot points for episodes that have yet to air. We need to be mindful of those who wish to avoid spoilers but still want to discuss the current episode. Thanks!

hehe she looks like a little kid.

cute pic! looking forward to this episode! (like every other one) I am counting down the minutes!
47 min to go!!!!!! WOOHOO

I have to wait til Saturday. Grrr!!! Well it could be worse.............

Yeah.....I don't see Buffy til Sunday night at 9PM...LOL

***YAY*** 49 Days til S3 DVD US Release on Jan 7 2003

Well I like both writers, so I'm hoping for another fine season 7 eppy tonight. I have LOVED this season so far.

I go to skool in Jersey and Buffy is not on!!!!!!!!!! Martin is. Can someone please explain??????

What UPN channel do you have, Philly 57? I'm at University Park, and we get UPN 38, which I think is Boston. I can't imagine UPN 57 in Philly not playing Buffy though.

I dunno what upn it is. cu si have digital cable.....but i watch it on here every tuesday. I dont understand why its not on today!! im gonna cry~.........thanks for trying to help though

Yeah she does! Awwwwww

i saw the ep yesterday, cuz i got satelite. AMAZING EP!!!!! so far this season is gonna be even better than season 1 2 3 4 5 6. ths season has all the write stuff, and the action scenes are amazing!!!!! john medlen really has amazing ideas for the fight scenes!!!!! but overall 9.5/10 or even a 10/10 for this ep, like all the other eps.
sweet dreams, take care, pz, best day at skool or wherever for everyone out there**

Eh, I give this ep about a 7/10. Not as great as last week. I don't know if I'll like how the Spike and Buffy stuff pans out. You'll see

*snicker*



Hahahahahaha.. *keels over*


Mk..I'm fine.. dont mind me.

LBB, are you mocking me? I've seen how the episode ends, hehe.. That's what I'm basing my opinion on.

Spike/Buffy? hehehehehehe

Whoa, this big bad is really getting weird! Buffy was obviously just over taken by the big bad as was Spike. It looked like Spike recoginzed something in Buffy, you could tell by the way he looked at her. And when Anya called and said "Hi, it's me. He's leaving." It seems as though you were meant to think she was calling Xander/Buffy and say something. However, knowing how Joss and the rest of the Buffy writers think, I don't think that was the case. I think it was Anya being over taken by the big bad and calling someone/something else. What are everyone's thoughts on that?

Wow! What just happened with Buffy turning into Spike? I'm SO confused right now!

When I saw the beginning of the ep was in 'London, England' I was excited thinking that Giles was showing up but instead it was another Slayer being killed...but then he was in the credits so I was happy. I'm also glad to see they picked up where last week left off but I can't believe Dawn didn't tell Willow what "Joyce" really said. It's interesting about all the 'kid' comment concerning the vidcap in this thread now that I've seen that scene in the ep.

Huh...what's that about? My stupid UPN station came back from the commercial in the middle of the scene

my eyes

I'm soo freaking scared. No joke. Good episode...so far.

When Buffy was following Spike throughout the crowd, all of a sudden it showed Buffy morphing into Spike. But Spike had just walked around the corner..
There must be 1 good Spike, and 1 evil. Or something like that. It's very confusing if you ask me.

I'm SOO starting to like Spike again! And even though I hate to admit it, the B/S-ness was very cute in this episode. I can't believe I just said that..

your eyes? I can't wait to see what happens... if it scares mark and involves B/S

LOL no..I'm not..


I'm laughing at something weird..and just..lol.. I'm laughing about something to do with the scene where "Buffy" tells Spike to bite the girl and.. yeah..


Don't mind me.. lol..

Spike is crying

I'm crying....

Giles!!! Yaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

NO FAIR on the ending!!!!!!

OMG they can NOT end the episode like that!!

Aimee Mann, how old is she? I couldn't tell.

Giles, yeay. But UGH, that didn't look good for his head. Buffy getting close to Spike? Gag me. It feels really tired.. Either way, 7/10.

*Pees self*


OMG.. how fast did I just jump up and squeal "Giles!"


AND HOLY CRAP! AHHHHH!



And..poor Scooby Gang.. they're in for some really bad sh..tuff..

And thanks Miss Pointy for the info on the part I missed

No problem, spence. Glad to be of service.

That was definately not as good as last week, but very good all the same. I'd give it a 7/10 as well, but I must admit to being very partial to B/S now. Allie what have you done to me?

Well you figure she has to be at least in her 40s...'Voices Carry' came out around '83 and she had to be in her 20s then.

It looked like the blade had already made contact with Gile's head. Noo..., next week's episode, so [Sorry I had to delete reference to next week's preview. Some may not choose to view the preview. Sarah's carl] Humor is present, even when it's scary, what a show, what a show. . And it certainely looks like James Marsters has solidified his position for ANY type of award.

That was an okay ep. James was amazing as always. I'm so looking forward to EvilSpike and Spuffy.

Hmm, I think we get repeats all of December after next week's episode. . Oh well, better "early" than "later". I think though they should show some older episodes, than reruns of Season 7. They should surprise us with something. .

The Spike/Buffy thing: It was not an evil Spike. I think it was the First Evil, first egging Spike on as Buffy (cause he only does stuff if she asks him) and then turning into Spike for whatever reason...

AHRHGH! This episode had me for a loop. First one I watched without a wildfeed! Woohoo! But, Giles can't die! Finally, someone knows about the SITs. LOL. Yep, great episode! 100000/10 again!

Buffy probably made up for a whole season of slaying when she killed like those 7 or 8 vampires.

Wow, then she looks good for a 42 year old (I looked it up hehe).

I highly doubt Giles dies in the next episode. Of course I could be very wrong, but I don't think it will happen. My best guess is that he gets very injured or something, but not death.

The man that was killed that Giles found..he moved after he died! When he was stabbed he was next to the woman, but at the end he wasn't.

LMAO. That is probably true. Maybe not a year... But, geez, they set up that fight and it was pretty dern cool. The Spike thing is really getting on my nerves. The whole time I kept saying, "Buffy, dammit! STAKE him already!" Sorry to the Spike fans, but that's how I felt. Grr... argh...

Just made it to 7/10, but it was close. An ok Ep, but it was kinda slow. It was good to see Giles, and the story seems to be building nicely. There was just a bit to much filler in this one.

*waves to Raven* I see you!

You probably don't know who I am, but that's ok, lol.

We know now that there is a "big baddie" in both Angel and Buffy. I think maybe they should have been switched around. The Beast is like basically invincible to all physical attacks, and I think he would be tougher to defeat on Buffy, because essentially Buffy is the only one who could fight it, and maybe Willow could use some magic. It would also be interesting to see the "First Evil" on Angel, because of all the subplots within each episode. I just think it would be really interesting. . Also, on this Sunday's Angel episode, did The Beast remind anyone else of the Judge?

The fight scene wasn't that bad...best part of the ep IMO. ('cept maybe for Anya sexualizing Spike's soulful mind!)

I must say this again...James does his best work when he's crying. He's like the Halle Berry of television.

I believe that the man moved away for some odd reason so he could sit up and die peacefully, with a comfy headrest! No. Anyway, Giles won't be in the next episode, I speculate. That's cause ME and Joss always do that to us.

Well he knew that guy so perhaps it was another watcher and Giles already knew about the SITs.

This episode also reminded me of the initial mission statement of the show with the metaphors and all. It kind of made me think that there is a good side and a bad side to everyone, which is obviously being exaggerated like it has always been.

Actually, she's gonna have to change her SN on here to "Summer," since mah girl's going by her real name now!

Possibly. But we have no clue, really. Do we?