Angel S5 - Recurring character - Harmony, Is it a good idea? Options

I got this quote from the BBC's Buffy website:

'Another former Buffy star being courted by the producers to return as a recurring character is Harmony. The ditzy vampire, played by Mercedes McNab, was last seen in season two's Disharmony.'

I hope this is true because she has been out of Buffy for 2 seasons and it is time she made a return. What does every1 else think?

I would love to see Harmony again

I wonder what she'd make of Spike these days

Spike as well as Harmony?



hmm, maybe I'll just watch the episodes when Buffy is on.

That would be really cool to see her again!! but you never know it could just be another rumor

I wouldn't mind seeing Harmony again, but I'm not going to put alot of faith in these spoilers. There was alot of them floating around that Harmony was coming back on Buffy, and that never happened.

thats an atrocious idea. isnt angel supposed to be a "new" show next season?

Spike, maybe Harmony, maybe Buffy, maybe I'll watch "Angel" next season.

All of this seems to make a bit of a joke out of the many previous assertions that Angel is a completely separate show and can stand on its own. I always thought they went a bit far in an effort to separate the shows, but talk about going from one extreme to the other.

Not that I'm complaining. I'll definitely be keeping track of what goes on with the show next year now.

Personally, I always thought all the stuff about how Angel was going to stand by itself, etc. was just political talk based on the separation of Buffy from the WB. Now that that separation doesn't exist any longer, there's no reason to keep that facade up. Face it, if Buffy hadn't left the WB, we'd have had crossovers in season 3 and more in season 4 just like in seasons 1 and 2.

It makes sense that the WB would take advantage of Buffy's demise by bringing popular characters from that show onto Angel more often. I still think that's the main reason why Angel was renewed - the WB wanted Spike and the other Buffy characters to show up in an attempt to increase the show's ratings by adding Buffy-only watchers to the Angel show.

The WB has given it a great timeslot after Smallville, now its up to Angel (and the viewers) to see if it takes advantage of it. If Angel doesn't do well after Smallville, don't expect it to last past next season.

For all their talk about staying separate from Buffy, in truth Angel is still a Buffy-spinoff and is intimately tied to that series, as it should be, IMHO.

-M.W.-

QUOTE (-M.W.- @ May 31 2003, 09:42 AM)

For all their talk about staying separate from Buffy, in truth Angel is still a Buffy-spinoff and is intimately tied to that series, as it should be, IMHO. -M.W.-

I agree with you. With their mythology, storylines & character connection it's different with Buffy/Angel compared to other spin-offs that once established usually move on from the original show

QUOTE (mlkj13 @ May 31 2003, 09:09 AM)

QUOTE (-M.W.- @ May 31 2003, 09:42 AM) For all their talk about staying separate from Buffy, in truth Angel is still a Buffy-spinoff and is intimately tied to that series, as it should be, IMHO.  -M.W.- I agree with you. With their mythology, storylines & character connection it's different with Buffy/Angel compared to other spin-offs that once established usually move on from the original show

Absolutely, while both shows were running, it was necessary for "Angel" to play up the differences, now that "Buffy" is done, its necessary for "Angel" to remind people where it came from.

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QUOTE (mlkj13 @ May 31 2003, 09:09 AM) QUOTE (-M.W.- @ May 31 2003, 09:42 AM) For all their talk about staying separate from Buffy, in truth Angel is still a Buffy-spinoff and is intimately tied to that series, as it should be, IMHO.  -M.W.- I agree with you. With their mythology, storylines & character connection it's different with Buffy/Angel compared to other spin-offs that once established usually move on from the original show Absolutely, while both shows were running, it was necessary for "Angel" to play up the differences, now that "Buffy" is done, its necessary for "Angel" to remind people where it came from.

i disagree:
1-joss said it would be a "new" show. not a show retreading old characters and tired out buffy plotlines that never went anywhere anyway
2-joss said you could watch angel next season and completely understand it without having ever watched before.
3-with spike alone coming on, the characters that made angel a great show will be pushed aside. any additional 'baggage" from btvs will make the angel characters invisible.
4-"angel" far surpassed btvs in quality the last 2 seasons.
5-while harmony added a little comic relief to btvs, i see no place at all for her on "angel"
6-actually they have kept the shows quite separate. the btvs characters seemed to be oblivious to the sun disappearing from los angelos, even though it must have had worldwide headlines, not to mention that there may have been a connection between the catastrophies occuring in la and sunnydale. also, the angel crew seemed totally unaware of the disaster brewing in sunnydale, except for the forced appearance of angel.

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i disagree: 1-joss said it would be a "new" show. not a show retreading old characters and tired out buffy plotlines that never went anywhere anyway 2-joss said you could watch angel next season and completely understand it without having ever watched before. 3-with spike alone coming on, the characters that made angel a great show will be pushed aside. any additional 'baggage" from btvs will make the angel characters invisible. 4-"angel" far surpassed btvs in quality the last 2 seasons. 5-while harmony added a little comic relief to btvs, i see no place at all for her on "angel"

1. Well it was never going to be a completely "new" show. There were always going to be characters who already had a history. Angel, Gunn, Wesley etc all have a backstory. Harmony had her place in the Buffy story, and was very popular...which is why they may bring her back on Angel.
2. See 1. There were always going to be characters who already had a backstory. That doesn't mean that new viewers can't enjoy the new stories which involve them.
3. Your statement is pure conjecture at this point. With no scripts having even been written yet, it's impossible to say what'll happen to the other characters.
4. That's your opinion. You're entitled to it, but many people disagree. The fact that the WB wanted assurances about Buffy cast members and writers going over says that Angel wasn't going to survive at all without these ties to Buffy being reaffirmed. There are obviously a lot of reasons for that which you're not really wanting to consider. That's fine, but they exist nevertheless.
5. Well she's already appeared on Angel in what was a very popular episode. I think a place for her humour can certainly be found in a few episodes. It's not like she's becoming a regular.

Well said, Leigh.

"I remember reading it and closing the last page and going, "Well, he did it!" I wondered how and he just showed me. The whole idea of making every woman on the planet a Slayer and giving women that strength was just beautiful"
thats a quote from eliza dushku, who obviously was on the set of btvs. she clearly says every woman on earth was made a slayer. i am wondering what joss is going to do with billions of slayers running around. if this is the case, buffy is not needed on angel next season. since such a major part of the finale was about buffy finding a normal life, let her. there are plenty of slayers around now to fight evil.
i feel the more characters he brings over from btvs, the more time he will take away from the characters that made "angel" great.

QUOTE (kellixyn @ May 31 2003, 04:57 PM)

"I remember reading it and closing the last page and going, "Well, he did it!" I wondered how and he just showed me. The whole idea of making every woman on the planet a Slayer and giving women that strength was just beautiful" thats a quote from eliza dushku, who obviously was on the set of btvs. she clearly says every woman on earth was made a slayer. i am wondering what joss is going to do with billions of slayers running around. if this is the case, buffy is not needed on angel next season. since such a major part of the finale was about buffy finding a normal life, let her. there are plenty of slayers around now to fight evil. i feel the more characters he brings over from btvs, the more time he will take away from the characters that made "angel" great.

Well if that quote is completely accurate, Eliza is mistaken. It was only those who were already potential slayers that were given the powers of a slayer in "Chosen".

The finale wasn't about Buffy finding a normal life (IMO anyway). It was about her no longer being alone as a slayer. It was about others sharing the burden which she has carried alone for so long. It was about the fact that because she is no longer alone, she has a greater say in her own future. She has been given the ability to choose what other things she wants to do with her life (although she'll always be a slayer). It was about the fact that there are now a few hundred others who've been "gifted" with the abilities of a slayer (I'm guessing on the figure, but I don't think there are all that many potentials who became slayers due to the spell in "Chosen").

Also, while I'm sure that Buffy would help out if she appeared on Angel (since she is the best slayer there's ever been, I'm sure she'd be a big help)...I don't think that would be the main reason for any appearance. It'd be about the connection that she has to the other characters on that show which nobody else on earth (even if they suddenly do have slayer powers) has.

Very much agree, Leigh

I completely agree with you Leigh.

QUOTE (mlkj13 @ May 31 2003, 01:24 PM)

Very much agree, Leigh

interesting points. i still think buffy coming back on angel next season negates everything that was done in the btvs finale. i have to go along with eliza. she was on the set and there. she must have known what joss was trying to say. if there are only hundreds of slayers, thats not much female 'empowerment". even if there are only hundreds, that seems like plenty. even when there was only 1, they always seemed to show up where they were needed.

QUOTE (kellixyn @ May 31 2003, 02:11 PM)

interesting points. i still think buffy coming back on angel next season negates everything that was done in the btvs finale. i have to go along with eliza. she was on the set and there. she must have known what joss was trying to say. if there are only hundreds of slayers, thats not much female 'empowerment". even if there are only hundreds, that seems like plenty. even when there was only 1, they always seemed to show up where they were needed.

Why do you think that?
You don't know why Buffy would come back if she does, so you don't know what the reason would be for.
So what if there's more slayers?! Big freakin deal. That doesn't mean they're all going to be like Buffy. That doesn't mean that they're all going to fight evil. They're just empowered girls. And that doesn't take anything away from Buffy. She's being strong by moving on and living her life.

Getting back to the original question of Harmony being on Angel next season I think, if it's true, they would use her to help fill the void left by Charisma's departure. I wouldn't want her on the show full-time, but some guest appearances would be fun. Especially with Spike being a regular now.

QUOTE (kellixyn @ May 31 2003, 08:11 PM)

she must have known what joss was trying to say.

She could easily have just phrased her answer in the wrong way. It was an interview where answers were given on a spur of the moment basis. It's not like she would have thought about them for hours in advance. Or, she could have interpreted the episode differently to a lot of other people.

It seemed very clear to me from the episode itself that it was just the potentials who received slayer powers. Since Joss wrote that, I think it should be our guide when we're trying to discuss this question. Of course, that doesn't mean that what happened and what was said isn't open to interpretation.

Part of the reason that I'm sure it wasn't every single woman in the world is so that Angel (the series) could continue. Obviously if every single woman in the world had slaying powers, there'd be very little need for the Angel crew (even if the focus of the show is shifting). Neither Dawn nor Anya were shown to be affected by Willow's spell. Why? Because they weren't potentials.

wow alot of people are coming on angel I heard Ally would be in a couple too...I'm just glad I got into angel this year!!!:)

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interesting points. i still think buffy coming back on angel next season negates everything that was done in the btvs finale. i have to go along with eliza. she was on the set and there. she must have known what joss was trying to say

I would take the word of the script and what is seen on TV than what an actor says in an interview.

The script and Buffy in the actual episode says: "From now on, every girl in the world
who might be a Slayer, will be a Slayer."

Not every girl in the world is a potential. Only the potentials are activated. Anya, Dawn, Willow are not slayers.

QUOTE (kellixyn @ May 31 2003, 01:11 PM)

interesting points. i still think buffy coming back on angel next season negates everything that was done in the btvs finale.

Buffy enabled the other Potentials to have their Slayer Power realized completely, in doing so she did not forfeit her's. I can not see a better example of empowerment than that. Buffy increases her value by being a leader, and the Potentials now have the gift without the burden.